Curse

Thomas.knbk · Oct 18, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

if i had to choose between a pug spammin barrage or letting him use whatever crazy ass build he put together (a ranger with golem and minions, oh yes, ive seen it!), give me 1...1...1...1... any day. still, this says more to pugs then to barrage. any decent ranger can figure out a decent build without barrage, but it is still a nice fall-back skill when ya need it.

I actually made a ranger with minions once......
Then I found out Expertise didn't work on spells. GG

draxynnic · Oct 18, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by priapism18

It's not always about pure DMG output. Why not try an interupt build? Denying a monk healing a mob can alot of times result in the group going down much faster . Mob dying faster = Less Dmg done to your party.....Punishing Shot or BHA anyone?

And it's not just knocking out the Monk. Disabling an Elementalist - especially a Canthan elementalist boss - can cut down on the damage to the party, possibly stopping one or more people from being spiked. Disabling a Necromancer could stop those pesky mobs from denying corpses to your cookie-cutter MM. And so on.

Poison Ivy · Oct 18, 2006, 10:25 AM // 10:25

In my opinion, simply because it's a no brainer, slap it on and go skill. (That's actually very effective)

zhak · Oct 18, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

beware when u got empathi on urselfs..when i see a ranger using barrage..bam.empathy on them..each barrage shot can go to more than 100 dmg to the ranger

Riesz · Oct 18, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by zhak

beware when u got empathi on urselfs..when i see a ranger using barrage..bam.empathy on them..each barrage shot can go to more than 100 dmg to the ranger

Yeah that's always hilarious to see

I use barrage because like others have said, mobs are typically clumped in PvE and barrage can dish out a lot of AoE damage to them, especially when using conjure or judges with a vamp bow. Having your main attack take up only 1 slot also leaves a lot of room for other fun things. I almost always take 2 interrupts when I play barrage, and possibly a preparation and other bow attack for single monsters.

Barrage is useful and very effective in 90% of PvE situations and is incredibly easy to use. What's bad about it, again?

Rancour · Oct 18, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Linkusmax

Splinter Weapon FTW!

Splinter Weapon only triggers on the first arrow that hits, not all of them. It's nothing special, just compliment damage.

Sir Mad · Oct 18, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

^ Yup that would be overpowered if it worked with the 6 arrows. If you really wanna use a weapon spell with barrage, Brutal Weapon seems to be the best choice.

TadaceAce · Oct 18, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Barrage is far and away the best ranger build for pve, the thing is, a braindead moron in a 90% coma can run it (your average pug). Thus people like to get it in their group because its gonna be a build better than a wammo that people can't screw up.

Blkout · Oct 19, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.

Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).

Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.

Your knowledge of Barrage is very limited it appears. Even if enemies aren't bunched up, with 13 points in Expertise, Barrage is a completely spammable skill that adds up to 16 points of additional damage per shot. It's tough to find a skill that adds that kind of damage that's basically free.

Blkout · Oct 20, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

Barrage is far and away the best ranger build for pve, the thing is, a braindead moron in a 90% coma can run it (your average pug). Thus people like to get it in their group because its gonna be a build better than a wammo that people can't screw up.

PUG's don't choose Barrage Rangers because it's an easy build to run, they choose Barrage Rangers because the effects of Barrage are a very worthy addition to any party. You are downplaying the skill Barrage by saying that even an idiot can run it so that's why they do. Barrage is a great skill, people use it because of that reason alone.

Sir Mad · Oct 20, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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PUG's don't choose Barrage Rangers because it's an easy build to run, they choose Barrage Rangers because the effects of Barrage are a very worthy addition to any party.

Again, rangers are barragers as necros are MM and eles are echo nukers. One skill to cap, one cookie cutter build, and they go. Th thing is, when you need them to have another build, there's nobody left. FFS barrage is a good skill, but using barrage in RA or in Imperial Sanctum is dumb, sorry about that, and I don't count how many times I've seen that.

Mesmer in Need · Oct 20, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

im not sure of the build. do you actually barrage your pet? like make ur pet attack 5 times?

SnipiousMax · Oct 20, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Blkout

You are downplaying the skill Barrage by saying that even an idiot can run it so that's why they do. Barrage is a great skill...

QFT.

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Originally Posted by Mesmer In Need

im not sure of the build. do you actually barrage your pet? like make ur pet attack 5 times?

No, you barrage with a bow, while your pet soaks up damage as a tank in a very specific situation. Barrage is good in any number of places. B/P's are used mostly for farming.

Maria The Princess · Oct 20, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

most of the other ranger elites are best in PVP, but if you wanna use them in PVE they would requiree a very specific situation

Da Scotty · Oct 23, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

I see both the usefullness and uselessness of Barrage... It is farming build designed for a Barrage Team, (5xBarrage, 1x MM, 1xOrder) used in another context or go "lone ranger" (excuse the pun)

with it and it just isnt effective.
Personally, I LOVE my Barrage Ranger but a skill change is always need if I take him anywhere else! I use cripshot / runner / trapper and Beastmaster....

I find it a very versitile primary.

oh yeah I realise 5+1+1=7

and as for empathy and such spells, if not interrupted, just stop shooting (there are at least 4 others shooting 6 arrows each)

Beomagi · Oct 24, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Best for pve is subject to debate.

In general? maybe.

My playstyle adapted to quickshot instead. I prefer a fast singlular continuous stream of rapid damage + interrupts to a singular target - Much better if you pick and chose targets - like the annoying healers or mages. My PUG or even henches will survive the other enemies, but Most damage comes from just one or 2 annoyances usually (as a referance to diablo 2 again - strafe vs multi?

).

I havent seen many barrage ranger's that would play dangerously - i.e. Wammo's that play leeroy, and nukers that run to the front line to initiate instead of tanks - cause "mmyy meteor shower is sosooo leeet!! I can hit them fiiirrst!! deedadee!"

bungusmaximus · Oct 24, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Try doing Urgoz' warren or tomb of primeval kings without barrage, itll be hard, i promise you...

Sol_Vie · Oct 24, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Barrage is a nice skill, but the ranger has a bunch of nice skills. Generally I find that using Barrage is better in enclosed areas or where enemies have to group up- even groups of 2 work. Anywhere else and I use a AP/Hunter's Shot/Interrupt build.

I'd hardly say that Barrage rangers are a cookie cutter build- I still generally have to use henchies or my guild to get stuff done on my ranger.

And someone mentioned Marksman's Wager a while back. Marksman's Wager + Needling Shot = Energy in excess. But that's way off topic.

jesh · Oct 24, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Nivryx

sometimes i just say im barrage just to get a group and then 'forget' to set my skills. =D

That's the best way to play Barrage.

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Originally Posted by Beomagi

My playstyle adapted to quickshot instead. I prefer a fast singlular continuous stream of rapid damage + interrupts to a singular target - Much better if you pick and chose targets - like the annoying healers or mages. My PUG or even henches will survive the other enemies, but Most damage comes from just one or 2 annoyances usually (as a referance to diablo 2 again - strafe vs multi?

).

Shh don't give it away. Now all the braindead barragers will be curious.

Foreseen Era · Oct 24, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I love me Incediary Arrows. QZ + Serpent's Quickness with it pwwwwns...